Curse

Thom · Jul 01, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Tombs is dead because people like leprekan have rank 9 and people like myself prefer to GvG.

Most of your serious tombs PvPers and fame farmers already have rank. Even your "gvg only" types have a deer at this point. If you are an unranked (or low ranked) serious player, you really don't have many options:
1)PuG balanced, good luck finding a mediocre team that brings in more than 10 fame a night.

2)PuG FotM, you may get a bit more fame but groups will still take forever to form and easily fall apart.

3)Build a friends list-- until you have some sort of rank see 1,2.

4)Join a normal guild. Odds are you'll be GvGing more than doing tombs, mostly because you are playing teams of similar ability instead of the same 3 FotM over and over.

5)Join a tombs guild. Good luck doing that without any rank.

Its easy to say "learn from your mistakes", but there isn't anything fun about fame farming to 180 and 1000.

The excessive use of FotM builds is a result of the tombs environment. Almost every tombs map is won by strong 8v8 play and the ability to hold a location. 8v8 play is only marginally interesting. Holding is less interesting. Sure I could practice whatever todays most exploitive spike is and win in HA with good target calling, but 1...2...3...bored isn't smart or fun. HA plays like 8 guys in a tank... everyone works together but in a machine like fashion. GvG allows everyone to get out of the tank allowing individual efforts to shine instead of just mistakes.

Remove altars from HA and you've goet half of your solution. Add more multiple control point maps (relics are a good example) and you will make HA a battle worth fighting. AB is the ultimate multiple contol point arena, which makes it one of the most interesting areas to PvP. TA is a nice example of what HA would be without altars: while you would fight 8v8 you would have more flexiblity since the overemphasis on "holding" would be gone.

leprekan · Jul 01, 2006, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Thom

3)Build a friends list-- until you have some sort of rank see 1,2..

You hit the nail on the head. I remember being an unranked noob LFG. With time I was able to build a friend list of other people in the same boat. We rose up through the ranks together. Now it is easier, people can show their title when in between emotes. Then you HAD to have that emote to show you were at least that rank ... since nobody would believe you were any higher than your emote. Those "elitest pvpers" went through the same thing the whiners cry about.

A B C Onetwothree · Jul 01, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

I think in order to solve this!!!!!! reset the ladder in tombs, so you don't need to be a rank 6 iway.

leprekan · Jul 01, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by A B C Onetwothree

I think in order to solve this!!!!!! reset the ladder in tombs, so you don't need to be a rank 6 iway.

And those that have spent MONTHS to gain their fame/rank just lose it? Sad that people are too lazy to do the work to get what they want. EVERY ranked person started off with ZERO fame.

The Legg · Jul 01, 2006, 08:46 PM // 20:46

hey all,

I think it is very sad that a lot of people here are slagging off pvp in hero's ascent. Just because you have not put the time into developing a friends list of people to play HA with and not worked at your rank does not mean that the rest of us that work hard at it should suffer.
The rank system is a very good way of organizing pvp groups and to be honest if you have not put the time and effort into getting a rank over the rime you have played guild wars why should you be able to join a high ranking group? You will not have developed a knowledge of maps, how different builds interact with each other or reconizing the oposition and their prefered builds.
So please stop whining about not being able to get into high ranking groups and put some effort in. As you get higher ranks it gets easier to get fame trust me.

Thom · Jul 01, 2006, 09:28 PM // 21:28

It was much easier for low ranked players 6 months ago, let alone a year ago. It is harder to build a friends list with fewer people. It is harder to find serious players of lower rank. The groups playing are playing at a higher level since they've been playing for a long time.

The Legg · Jul 01, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

hey all

no-one ever said attaining rank is easy. You have to work at it rather than have everything handed to you. How could you ever truely value your rank if you didn't put time and effort into it.
I suppose the guild wars game mentality has changed lately, with the ebay money readily available many players may have got used to being able to have perfect items, fow armour etc without having to put the time or effort into aquiring them.

Its a shame that the whiners would prefer complaining or buying fame than actually putting effort in, whether its hard or not

Renegade ++RIP++ · Jul 02, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by The Legg

hey all

no-one ever said attaining rank is easy. You have to work at it rather than have everything handed to you. How could you ever truely value your rank if you didn't put time and effort into it.
I suppose the guild wars game mentality has changed lately, with the ebay money readily available many players may have got used to being able to have perfect items, fow armour etc without having to put the time or effort into aquiring them.

Its a shame that the whiners would prefer complaining or buying fame than actually putting effort in, whether its hard or not

Guild wars mentality has always been like this, otherwise fotms, ebaygold,... would never surface. Nor the amount of farmingguides, and farmingzones, etc...

in any case though, we are playing a game and not working... so stating that you have to work to accomplish something is bullshit. You have to have fun and have some form of success.

It is however a bigger shame that the iwayers, spiritspammers, elesmiters, bloodpsikers, touchrangers, 1 2 3 spikers (ranger, air) dare to complain about someone elses way of playing and consider it as a lack of effort...

lishi · Jul 02, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by Isaac Lunoa

No good GvG guild will ever require rank...

good gvg guild are on Invite friend only.

normally those friend are made in HA group

Navaros · Jul 02, 2006, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by Renegade ++RIP++

in any case though, we are playing a game and not working... so stating that you have to work to accomplish something is bullshit. You have to have fun and have some form of success.

It is however a bigger shame that the iwayers, spiritspammers, elesmiters, bloodpsikers, touchrangers, 1 2 3 spikers (ranger, air) dare to complain about someone elses way of playing and consider it as a lack of effort...

Getting to Rank 9 is indeed work, because it is not fun. Anything that is not fun, is work.

Indeed people who got to Rank 9 with FOTM did put in way more time. skill and effort getting to Rank 9 than those who are unranked did. Regardless of it being a FOTM build, consistently making or joining a party of good players still takes considerable time and effort. Especially since people always have to leave every round which just starts the party-making process over and greatly hinders time used for actually earning fame. Then even with FOTM builds, top tier Guilds will always cream you (not top tiered on Guild ladder because most of them suck in Tombs, I mean top tiered Tombs Guilds) if you are using a FOTM. Rank 9 takes blood, sweat and tears, period. One and only exception to this is spirit spammers which could hold HoH for 6 hours at time. None of the other FOTM builds you listed there were ever anywhere close to being as overpowered as that, hence they should not be lumped together or used in the same sentence with spirit spammers.

Betcha if all the unranked or low-ranked IWAY bashers went and tried to earn Rank 9 with IWAY, they'd be in for a rude awakening. Some of them think they'll get it in a month, which would require a consistent 156 fame a day. Even before the nerfing, that was not the least bit realistic for anything other than a professional IWAY Guild who always had top players available on a Guild roster to get a party together quickly. No darn way that an IWAY pugger would consistently get 156 fame per day and get Rank 9 in a month. Clearly from comments like that, most players who complain about things like IWAY do not do so out of education, and do not understand that it's not a cakewalk to IWAY to Rank 9 like they think it is.

art_ · Jul 02, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Navaros. I played balanced and iway back in the day. From my experience you could easily win a lot of games with IWAY even if you have a few recognisably horrible players on your teams. The same cannot be said for balanced.

anonymous · Jul 02, 2006, 05:45 AM // 05:45

High ranked people ruined HA. When the unrankeds tried to get a group they said f--k off, if you dont like that we discriminate for rank, make your own team. So the unrankeds came about fotms like iway and now the higher ranked people are facing 50%(probably more)iway, blood spike that stuff, and they complain that no one runs any different builds. If the higher ranks hadnt shunned them, there would be no need for iway and other fotms, you could play for fun without grinding for months. All iway players are grinding so they can get to the fun part.

Navaros · Jul 02, 2006, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Originally Posted by art_

Navaros. I played balanced and iway back in the day. From my experience you could easily win a lot of games with IWAY even if you have a few recognisably horrible players on your teams. The same cannot be said for balanced.

Average IWAY PUG would generally cream and be much more successful than an average balanced PUG, no doubt.

Even so, the point I was trying to make is that there was always much strong resistance (huge party making waiting around and spamming timesink + headache - compounded by leavers after every round; bad players who do not have a pet or bow or only have crappy weapons, who place their spirits wrong, do not replace spirits when they die, aggro in the wrong way, res too slow or not at all, hold the res orb but never use it to res the Ghost even when direly needed, only have a bow and one vampiric weapon which means they get slaughtered if they need to retreat or run for an orb or relic, stay too far back to be ressed etc. etc; and coming up against expert Guilds) on the road to Rank 9, even for IWAYERS. Hence any Rank 9 that was not earned by spirit spamming should be respected for the great achievement that it is.

anonymous · Jul 02, 2006, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Average IWAY PUG would generally cream an average balanced PUG, no doubt.

Even so, the point I was trying to make is that there was always much strong resistance (huge party making waiting around and spamming; bad players who do not have a pet or bow or crappy weapons, who place their spirits wrong, aggro in the wrong way, stay too far back to be ressed etc. etc; and coming up against expert Guilds) on the road to Rank 9, even for IWAYERS. Hence any Rank 9 that was not earned by spirit spamming should be respected for the great achievement that it is.

I disagree that r9 players should be respected. They have to earn respect with people, not with the game. If some r9 came and cussed me out and flashed his tiger, i wouldnt go oh, hes rank 9 i should let this go, i would treat him/her just like they treated me.

Poison Ivy · Jul 02, 2006, 06:05 AM // 06:05

I normally charm my way into a high rank party, of course you need to show them you have the right build

Master Ikram · Jul 02, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by lishi

good gvg guild are on Invite friend only.

normally those friend are made in HA group

True.I have a friend which lives in korea who joined EvIL which had NO skill in GvG and had no rank whatsoever.
But now he's a GvG master and rank 9 !

Sanji · Jul 02, 2006, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by The Legg

I think it is very sad that a lot of people here are slagging off pvp in hero's ascent. Just because you have not put the time into developing a friends list of people to play HA with and not worked at your rank does not mean that the rest of us that work hard at it should suffer.

Yeah, it's totally not fair for you that people do not work their ass off to fit in with a group of players that fight them every step of the way.

How dare they kill your fun with their selfishness.

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Originally Posted by anonymous

I disagree that r9 players should be respected. They have to earn respect with people, not with the game. If some r9 came and cussed me out and flashed his tiger, i wouldnt go oh, hes rank 9 i should let this go, i would treat him/her just like they treated me.

What he said.

I don't hate people who are Ranked.

I hate people who constantly use their Rank as a launching pad for acting like a dick to other people.

"So you spammed IWAY, amirite?" is a great way to knock a little wind of said people's sails. As perfectly demonstrated in this thread by huffy and overdefensive "OH YEAH YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS" posts.

eternal pho · Jul 02, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

I noticed that there were much less players doing HoH ever since It got moved from Tombs->Hero's Ascent.